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cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.03.02 05:16:00 - [1] Edited by: cal nereus on 02/03/2008 05:17:57 I understand and appreciate where you are coming from, Relaed. Before I go on, I would like to recommend that you and other Exhumer pilots in high-sec take steps to defend yourself in-game. Start defenses gangs, use intel, use clever counter-strategies, fly through lower-population systems, avoid hotspots for these attacks, etc. I sympathize with your plight and hope you can find an in-game solution for your difficulties. Show those Goons what a miner with teeth is really capable of. That said... I would like to point out that Goons aren't attacking Exhumers for nothing. It isn't really harassment either, since they're attacking indiscriminately. CCP fully endorses "suicide" attacks in high-sec, as long as Concord gets to pew-pew too. Goons are playing within the rules of the game, but you can fight back against them within the rules of the game too. Use the infinite tools you have at your disposal to counter their actions. You don't need an out-of-game power to save you. --- Join BH-DL Skills
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.03.02 10:09:00 - [2] Originally by: Industrial Jay LoL this is funny. I would be willing to bet that a lot of the exhumers being sold in empire now are being sold by Goons. I wouldn't be surprised by that either. --- Join BH-DL Skills
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.03.02 19:31:00 - [3] In response to the PR argument, I disagree. This is probably one of the only events that has improved Goonswarm's PR with the unrelated masses: which of course is not an objective of their's. They could care less about PR. Exhumer pilots... there's a very good reason why only a small minority of you are getting attacked by Goons. The majority of Exhumer pilots have avoided hot-spots and populated areas. In fact, when I was an empire miner () I made it a policy to mine in low-population systems. I'm surprised there are miners that aren't doing the same. If you can't be bothered to avoid high-population systems, then try to defend yourself in combat instead. You CAN do it. Or if you lack confidence in your ability to defend yourself, and still can't be bothered to avoid high-population systems, then try a group intel channel. You aren't the only one who wants to avoid getting ganked in high-sec. If you create and use an intel channel, maybe you can survive. Maybe. But if working with others is too difficult, then I suppose the best you can settle for is revenge. Use those deep pockets of yours and hire mercenaries to slap some Goons on the wrist. You miners... you have a lot of in-game options to defend yourself. Don't expect big Mommy-CCP to save you. Save yourselves. You CAN do it. You have the power. --- Join BH-DL Skills
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.03.03 01:59:00 - [4] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Many of us do not have unlimited ISK. But please, tell us what rules we have broken. The rule... of love. --- Join BH-DL Skills
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.03.03 05:35:00 - [5] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 03/03/2008 05:15:19 1) Covering suicide gankers makes perfect sense. If full insurance is profitable for the insurance company for whatever magical reason, it doesn't matter whether the ship is destroyed by CONCORD or by legal combat. Refusing to cover suicide gankers means turning down profitable insurance sales, something completely out of character for EVE's "profit at costs" ethical system. 2) Covering Goonswarm makes perfect sense. They are not attacking the insurance company, so covering them is profitable. In fact, covering them is MORE profitable than covering your average industrial pilot, because they know Goonswarm will be back again and again to buy more insurance. Why would the insurance company turn down easy profit because some other NPCs have a bad opinion of Goonswarm? I never thought about insurance like this before, but now that I am, I have to agree with Merin. --- Join BH-DL Skills
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.03.03 10:44:00 - [6] Could be that the insurance companies are subsidized a fixed amount per contract, so they have an incentive to make as many contracts as possible. The ones doing the subsidizing are the same people in government who are trying to get people to leave the planets and join the pod-pilot culture in outer space, even if it yields a net financial loss. It could all be part of a long-term plan to get people into space (literally, that's what CCP wants). --- Join BH-DL Skills
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.03.03 22:11:00 - [7] If the entire empire economy shuts down, I guess I'll have to break out my own industrial skills and make stuff myself (I can do it, I just choose not to because someone else is doing it for me). --- Join BH-DL Skills
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.03.04 09:19:00 - [8] I think it was explained somewhere at sometime that CONCORD is not the police. They aren't protecting people's lives, they're just popping ships that don't follow the standard operating procedures of killing people. --- Join BH-DL Skills
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.03.05 01:27:00 - [9] Wait, people use ammo to rat? --- Join BH-DL Skills
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.03.05 03:03:00 - [10] Edited by: cal nereus on 05/03/2008 03:04:01 CONCORD and the Faction Fleets are not out to serve and protect. They are out to punish and destroy. They also have a short attention span. And they blob. And they gate camp. And they sometimes shoot people just for entering their space. --- Join BH-DL Skills

cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.03.05 03:37:00 - [11] More ships are destroyed in empire than in 0.0. So, I suspect more hulks are destroyed in empire than in 0.0 too. I'm calling it now. I have no facts or figures to back it up, but none of you cares about that, so I'm safe. --- Join BH-DL Skills
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.03.05 08:06:00 - [12] Ask yourself: what would Chribba do? --- Join BH-DL Skills
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.03.05 19:44:00 - [13] Edited by: cal nereus on 05/03/2008 19:45:30 A well fitted Hulk can tank just fine actually. Some exhumers have been known to act as bait or even destroy PvP ships themselves. It's not impossible, just rare and inefficient. Of course, you ideally don't want to resort to tanking in a Hulk. Instead, just avoid those systems where Goons go roaming. --- Join BH-DL Skills
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.03.05 19:47:00 - [14] Originally by: Xavieer Naidoo I agree - they do it because they can. That's great. BUT... I think we are missing one thing here: the roleplay aspect of the whole operation. Goons are flying "suicide battleships" ? Ships have crews. So... 300+ exhumers destroyed by 300+ "suicide battleships" = 300 x 6500 = 1.950.000 lives lost (Concord provides insta-pop...) Seriously... crews would riot, and would not take part in suicide operations: "Hey... we are all going to die because the captain wants us to destroy that Hulk in the Empire... and they will pay him for that... Roger! Man the battlestations!" Correct me if I'm wrong - as far as the game mechanics go - the whole operation should be possible, but as far as the roleplaying goes - it should not happen. You forget, this is "jihad"-swarm. Each and every crew-member is promised tons of virgins after death. --- Join BH-DL Skills
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.03.05 23:51:00 - [15] Well, technically, we have unlimited crew right? That doesn't make sense roleplay-wise, but it's the only reason to explain why so many crews can die while ships are getting replaced left and right. Unless we clone our crews. --- Join BH-DL Skills
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.03.07 01:16:00 - [16] Edited by: cal nereus on 07/03/2008 01:17:44 The idea (from the Goon perspective) is three-fold: 1) Nothing is held sacred. Anything can be made fun of. 2) Everyone else is touchy about one or more subjects. 3) Make fun of those subjects and get a rise out of others. It's really quite simple. Best part is you can do it to Goons too. For example, if a Goon is really obsessed about guns, you can probably irritate/troll him using guns as a subject. That is, if you're objective is revenge. Otherwise, you can just ignore 'em. --- Join BH-DL Skills

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